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Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Bill Clinton: Lieberman Doesn't Represent Democrats

Mr. Bill lays it right out there:

Lieberman has characterized his loss - and the need for his subsequent independent run - as liberals in the party purging those with the Lieberman-Clinton position of progressiveness in domestic politics and strong national security credentials.

"Well, if I were Joe and I was running as an independent, that's what I'd say, too," Clinton said.

"But that's not quite right. That is, there were almost no Democrats who agreed with his position, which was, 'I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction.'"

"His position is the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position, which was, 'Does it matter if they have weapons? None of this matters. ... This is a big, important priority, and 9/11 gives us the way of attacking and deposing Saddam.'"

Clinton said that a vote for Lamont was not, as Lieberman had implied, a vote against the country's security.

Okay, all the slow kids that didn't get that the first time, read it again. Bill gets it.

What a bad day they must be having over at the DLC today.

11 Comments:

Anonymous RSD said...

Sundog -

With Bill Clinton being the kind of Democrat the netroots long to rid themselves of, I'm surprised to see "progressives" whooping it up for Clinton. After all, KOS, Moore, and the like want to target his wife next.

Bill Clinton is a loyal Democrat, not the type of fair weathered liberal who speaks of purges and threatens to bolt the party whenever things don't go his way.

And why even mention the DLC in this context? Has the DLC, as an organization, endorsed Lieberman's Independent run? No. And the New Democratic Network came out against it this morning.

I would say Bill Clinton is more indicative of the DLC than Lieberman is.

Mark Pryor, vice chair of the DSCC, supports Lieberman's independent run. I can therefor make a stronger case that the DSCC supports Lieberman than the DLC does in any official capacity if we are to use "guilt by association" standards.

11:35 AM

 
Blogger Gary Sartori said...

Ahh yes, Mr. Bill again changes his spots. Supports Lieberman in the primary, then dumps him like a wet load of cement afterwards. Bill, do me a favor, and hang out with Daddy Bush some more.

As far as Lieberman supporting Democrats. Why should he support a party that proves that wacko far left websites like Daily Kos, and Huffington Post, control the party in the first place. More evidence that Democrats are all over the place.

12:21 PM

 
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

rsd said:
I can therefor make a stronger case that the DSCC supports Lieberman than the DLC does in any official capacity if we are to use "guilt by association" standards.

Didn't Al From put out a letter the day after the primary, saying the DLC would not take a position in the general election, adding that he and other members of the DLC will be supporting Lieberman?

No, that does not constitute support in an official capacity, but neither does Mark Pryor's personal support, now does it?

BTW, I called Senator Pryor's office today, and the official line is that "Senator Lieberman was a mentor to Senator Pryor, so he personally supports Senator Lieberman in his reelection." When I pointed out that consequently Senator Pryor should step down from the DSCC, since he's violating the mission of the DSCC, there was a long pause, and then "ok, I'll pass it on."

2:16 PM

 
Anonymous RSD said...

cfaller96 said...

Didn't Al From put out a letter the day after the primary, saying the DLC would not take a position in the general election, adding that he and other members of the DLC will be supporting Lieberman?

I've seen no such letter. Have you?

No, that does not constitute support in an official capacity, but neither does Mark Pryor's personal support, now does it?

You just made my point, now didn't you? Al From, Bruce Reed, and the whole lot could come out personally in support of Lieberman, but that STILL would not make it an official endorsement by the DLC anymore than Pryor's personal endorsement makes it one of the DSCC.

My support or non-support of Lieberman does not mean my place of employment has endorsed or not endorsed Lieberman.

So saying the DLC must be upset because Clinton is now backing the Democratic primary winner is baseless without some sort of official endorsement - letter, article, or otherwise - on their website or some public statement.

4:42 PM

 
Blogger Susan said...

Bill Clinton gives lip service to the nutroots, and they can't see they are being played.

Face it: Lamont is dead in the water politically. He's nothing but a one-issue wonder, and pathetically inept in presenting his case to the voters at large.

Watch for other Democratic officials give lip service to Lamont, but they aren't going to waste their time and money on him.

8:49 AM

 
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

Yes, I have seen the letter, although not firsthand. I trust the source, Kos. He wrote an email, and DailyKos posted it:

http://tinyurl.com/ktc24

Here's some of the text:
PERSONAL STATEMENT OF AL FROM

Joe Lieberman is a man of high integrity and high purpose. He has been my friend for two decades, and to me, he represents the best in American politics.

The Democratic Leadership Council as an organization cannot and will not endorse candidates in federal elections. Leaders of the DLC exercising their rights as individuals will be on both sides of the Connecticut Senate race this fall. DLC Chairman Tom Vilsack, for example, has pledged to support the Democratic nominee. DLC Vice Chair Tom Carper has said he will support Senator Lieberman in November.

In my personal capacity, I will support Joe Lieberman, running as an independent Democrat. I believe our country needs more Senators like Joe Lieberman, not less.


Members of both the DSCC and the DLC are unofficially supporting Joe Lieberman, so I can't understand how you can make a stronger argument that the DSCC supports of Lieberman. They're both equally guilty in my eyes.

10:40 AM

 
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

susan said:
Face it: Lamont is dead in the water politically. He's nothing but a one-issue wonder, and pathetically inept in presenting his case to the voters at large.

Susan, you base this assertion on what evidence? What's the most recent poll you've seen that shows Lieberman defeating Lamont in the general election? Why are you so vehemently opposed to Ned Lamont?

It's not 1972, Susan.

11:01 AM

 
Anonymous RSD said...

cfaller96 said...
Yes, I have seen the letter, although not firsthand. I trust the source, Kos. He wrote an email, and DailyKos posted it:

I'm glad you trust KOS, because I sure don't, and I could give many reasons why, least of which is a an "e-mail statement" from Al From that only appears on KOS and other "progressive" sites either linking to or quoting from KOS.

Seems to me the only logical explanation is From sent KOS a personal e-mail? Hmmm...

... and even giving Markos the benefit of the doubt, the "e-mail" still makes my point: "...The Democratic Leadership Council as an organization cannot and will not endorse candidates in federal elections. Leaders of the DLC exercising their rights as individuals will be on both sides of the Connecticut Senate race this fall. DLC Chairman Tom Vilsack, for example, has pledged to support the Democratic nominee. DLC Vice Chair Tom Carper has said he will support Senator Lieberman in November."

Members of both the DSCC and the DLC are unofficially supporting Joe Lieberman, so I can't understand how you can make a stronger argument that the DSCC supports of Lieberman. They're both equally guilty in my eyes.

...and members of the DSCC and the DLC are unofficially supporting Ned Lamont. So how can you say the DLC and the DSCC supports Lieberman?

11:41 AM

 
Anonymous RSD said...

cfaller96 said...

Susan, you base this assertion on what evidence? What's the most recent poll you've seen that shows Lieberman defeating Lamont in the general election?

How about 4 days ago?

link

11:49 AM

 
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

rsd said:
So how can you say the DLC and the DSCC supports Lieberman

I didn't say that.

What I originally disputed was the idea that the DSCC is a stronger supporter of Lieberman than the DLC. I cited Al From's letter as evidence that the DLC is also engaging in unofficial support of Lieberman.

Unofficially, both organizations are guilty of supporting a candidate that opposes the Democratic nominee. I don't see one organization being any stronger in support of Lieberman, which was my original point.

2:23 PM

 
Anonymous cfaller96 said...

rsd, thanks for the polling data. This poll does indeed show Lieberman leading Lamont in the general election, and for that, I must recant/rephrase my original question:

What evidence can anyone cite that shows Ned Lamont "is dead in the water politically" and that "he's nothing but a one-issue wonder, and pathetically inept in presenting his case to the voters at large," as Susan claimed?

Now, with regards to the actual polling data, Lieberman's lead is narrow (5 points, with a margin of error of 4 points), and the trend is negative for Lieberman (46-41 lead now, versus a 51-27 lead on July 20). As a Lamont supporter I'm biased, though, so take it with a grain of salt...

2:53 PM

 

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