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Monday, August 14, 2006

Reduction to a Previously Solved Problem

In mathematics, a proposition is considered proven if it reduces to a previously solved problem. No discussion, no debate. The question is closed.

So it is in the spirit of presenting a solved problem that I present the following fact, from a recent Zogby poll, one which will probably surprise some very much:

An overwhelming majority of Democrats - 79% - nationwide said they are glad that (Lieberman) was defeated by Lamont, who ran a powerful anti-Iraq war campaign. They also said Lamont's victory over one of the few pro-war Democrats in Washington makes them optimistic they can win control of at least one of the two houses of Congress in November.

Seventy-nine percent.

So, there we are. Ned Lamont is simply not a fringe candidate, by any sensible definition of the phrase. In the future, people who try to push this Republican talking point can be dismissed and referred to this post. It's a previously solved problem.

No more referring to Ned as out of the mainstream. No more referring to his whacko netroots. Lamont has the support of 79% of Democrats nationwide. Deal with it.

If you can't lend your support to Ned, guess who is lost out in the fringes.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

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2:38 PM

Blogger Gary Sartori said...

Wow, 79% of the loony left is glad Lieberman lost. Gee sundog, how do you feel about the 23 other Democrats who voted for the war in the first place?? Are they next on your little hit list?? John Kerry voted for the war. Is he now political road kill? What about Hillary. She saw Joe lose, so she is running away from her vote as fast has her gams can carry her. Ben Nelson voted for the war. Will you write his political obituary?? These Democrats are flip-flopping so damn fast, it's pathetic.
Only Joe Lieberman has stood by his vote for war, and for that one vote, you liberals want to stuff him on a mantle. I didn't support the war either, but I'm not going to barbecue the man over a spit for ONE WRONG VOTE. Joe Lieberman has done more good for this state than Ned Lamont could do in 12 lifetimes. Maybe Cal Thomas was right, the Taliban has taken over the Democratic party.

6:58 PM

Anonymous rachelrachel said...

I think the usual GOP line is not that Lamont represents a fringe of the Democratic party, but rather that the Democrats by rejecting Lieberman in favor of Lamont, represent the fringes of the nation.

I don't particularly agree with that, but the numbers you cite -- widespread support among the Democratic base -- could be interpreted to support that view.

10:36 PM

Blogger SeedFreak said...

I posted this over at SDB, but I'll post it here too--

But it's not a democratic primary anymore. It's now a general election where stats show Lamont trailing Lieberman. It doesn't matter what spin you want to put on it. Lamont is not going to pick up the centrist or right votes. Lieberman's centrist views resonate well with a LOT of voters. Lamont is viewed as liberal under the progressive's-only tent--he cannot disconnect himself from the vitriolic far-left. It is his voter base, but the far left is a minor percentage of the voting masses in Conn.

5:00 AM

Blogger pro-joe progressive said...

Look - Ned Lamont is a mainstream liberal. I'm not going to debate that. But these out-of-state Democratic voters just don't understand why Joe has generally been so popular in Connecticut. Many of them remember when he was in the State Senate, was the first activist state A.G. in the naion, and continually delivered for them in Washington.

5:20 AM

Blogger Sundog said...

"Wow, 79% of the loony left is glad Lieberman lost."

Umm, no, Gary, 79% of Democrats across the country are glad Lieberman lost. If all the Democrats in the country can be dismissed by you as the "Loony Left", we have nothing to discuss.

9:57 AM

Blogger Sundog said...

Rachel, I'm afraid I don't understand how nearly half the country can be described as the "fringe". That makes no sense to me at all.

Presumably it's the same well-over-50% "fringe" that doesn't support the war in Iraq?

10:00 AM

Anonymous cfaller96 said...

seedfreak, I'm so glad to hear you "survived" the primary. Are you all right? Did any of those big, bad, violent Lamont supporters push you around and take your lunch money? I hope you weren't hurt in all the post primary "riots" you predicted Lamont supporters would start. Wow, are we dangerous, or what?

seedfreak said:
It's now a general election where stats show Lamont trailing Lieberman

I'm curious to see these "stats." Are you referring to the poll that puts Lamont ahead 46-39?

2:33 PM


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