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Friday, August 11, 2006

Two Plus Two

I apologize for making one of my commenters the central theme of a post, but this sort of thinking needs to be addressed.

I noticed that sundog doesn't have a place to leave comments, so I'll leave one here.

Don't know what's up with that, it should be fixed soon... Matt?

I find it highly interesting that Lieberman's website is hacked into on the day of the primary. This deserves to be looked into simply because I wouldn't put anything past the Lamont people to do this sort of thing. I wonder what sundog would have said if the Lamont website was hacked into on the day of the primary. 2+2 still adds up to 4.

Where to begin? First off, there is not yet any evidence that it WAS hacked; second, of course it's interesting and of course it should be looked into; third, unlike Lieberman, the "Lamont people" have held their head high and carried out a spotlessly clean campaign, so your opinion on this is sheer prejudice; fourth, as a IT professional, my response would be precisely the same if it had been Lamont's site; and finally, the fact that two and two add up to four proves nothing except that Lieberman supporters understand single-digit numbers, which should come in handy as they watch the polls from now until November.

This is what is so dishonest about spreading rumors BEFORE any facts are known. It is just too easy to bamboozle the general public.

After all, two plus two still adds up to four.


Blogger caffeine soldier said...

"2+2 still adds up to 4."

What a simpleton! 2 apples and 2 oranges neither adds up to 4 apples nor to 4 oranges. |-(

Btw, isn't there a way to 'join' the comment sections of this side and the sundog blog? Posting the same comment twice is somewhat inconvenient. On the other hand, it's my own fault for firstly posting at 'sundogsblog'. That's like shouting in a deep, lonesome forest - most probably nobody will here you. I know what I'm talking about, it's the same at my blog :D

11:00 AM

Blogger Sundog said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

11:54 AM

Blogger Sundog said...

Sorry about that Grey, I posted it over there accidentally. I've deleted that whole blog now to avoid confusion.

12:22 PM

Blogger Gary Sartori said...

Nice try Sundog, but your analogy stinks. Lamont may have been running a clean campaign, but his supporters, and bloggers certainly weren't. Just ask your cohort about what certain bloggers did to slime Lieberman.

I still find it quite interesting that the site was hacked on primary day. Maybe the Lamont supporters had nothing to do with it, but I still wouldn't put it past them to do such a thing.

The only reason Ned Lamont entered the race is simply because a moderate, and concensus builder like Lieberman is not tolerated in your party. In fact both parties don't tolerate people leaving the reservation. Joe Lieberman has a 85% approval rating with the ADA, yet the slime machine runs overtime. This is the reality of the Democratic party. You either agree with us 100% of the time, or your out. Did 2000, and 2004 teach you anything??

10:44 AM

Blogger Gary Sartori said...

Also, speaking about dishonesty. Go to to talk about dishonesty. Over there, you'll find on any given day, at least 5 anti-Lieberman stories. Face facts Sundog, liberals hate Lieberman!!!! And if they hate Lieberman, they also hate themselves, seeing Lieberman is a liberal.

10:49 AM

Anonymous rachelrachel said...

What examples do you have of the Lieberman campaign not running a "spotlessly clean campaign"?

6:23 AM

Blogger SeedFreak said...

First things first---I suggest that one of you, if not both of you, go into the dashboard of this blog and rearrange the posting controls so that only registered users can post. Otherwise it is too easy to have the smearing troll war that besieged LieberDem.

FYI, as it stands, anyone can still "hack" anyone's name and add a url to it. Fix that control and it won't be so tempting to anyone wishing to have fun and games.

Next, the hacking of Joe2006 is under investigation by the AG of Conn and the US. If it were simply a matter of overload or poor management that point would have already been made clear and Lamont and his team would have blasted it all over the internet. That hasn't happened. So, the longer the investigation continues, the deeper it probes and the worse it gets--not for Joe, but for Lamont and his umbilically attached bloggers. If indeed it was a blogger Lamont is screwed. "I don't know about blogs" isn't gonna cut it--maybe he'll try "I don't know about hackers", but I think that would only make the excoriation last longer.

New polls are out and Joe's ahead--no suprise there.

Lamont's whining about being suprised by political venom--no suprise there either.

So he can dish it out but can't take it? Cripes! Hasn't he been talking with Tom Slime or whatever his last name is--this guy should tell him about how slimey politics can get. How does Lamont think he'd be treated in the Senate where they'll shiv you with a smile. Neddie needs to grow up a bit, get more politically savvy, or at least show he understands the reality of "grown up" politics. This is not a selectman's meeting.

6:55 PM

Blogger Sundog said...

Seedfreak, methinks you are jumping to conclusions about the results of the investigation.

And I swear to God this is the last time I'm pointing this out (until someone makes it necessary yet again): It is simply intellectually dishonest to blame Lamont for some perceioved "sins" of bloggers. Period.

If it does turn out to be some scriptkiddy, which could easily be the case considering the lame technical setup, it is simply dishonest to blame Lamont for that. Period.

8:51 AM

Blogger Sundog said...

Gary, all your perceptions read like you cut and pasted them out of the Conventional Wisdom tank.

Here's a really odd thing. I am not a lefty Dermocrat. I haven't heard one word out of Lamont's mouth that identifies him as a non-mainstream candidate.

If you are talking about his opposition to the war, that is simply not a fringe position in the Democratic party.

Lamont has been purposely miscast as a fringe candidate. If you simply look down the list of issues and his positions on them, it's easy to see they line up nicely with the general Democratic agenda.

It's really not that hard. It's a mystery to me why people can't do this simple investigation for themselves and quit cut-and-pasting the latest Republican talking points.

9:45 AM

Blogger pro-joe progressive said...

Lieberman did Lamont a favor by running a stupid campaign, but niether candidate really ran a dirty campaign. BTW, by what Liebermnan's IT people have said, it really does look like a hack.

5:06 AM


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